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Because we have to have justice served. where does this stand and where is it going? >> it's fascinating. it's almost over in this case, in it tea the appeals court is two independent dna experts and it's very important that it is independent. they are saying that the samples were contaminated and that the bra and the knife should probably be thrown out as evidence. so that means that, well, there's nothing linking her to the murder at this point. >> but we've got the prosecution talking about motive. >> yes. >> i mean, how hard is that to disspell from the defense perspective? >> oh, god, wel...

Win but he is trying to hang the case. reason why, is the second go around, he will get a better officer, perhaps involuntary manslaughter, or, perhaps, voluntary manslaughter, so, all he needs to do is convince one or two and i think that is what the strategy is. >>guest: i think beyond is right about that. it is throw everything, throw it all up can get three jurors to be, like, well, i don't, it is not all there for me, and if you can get, you need one your, but i have been told, you really need three, they need to stay together in a close force and not be broken down and that is probably w...

Pat is complaining he is not on tomorrow night's show in front of the beautiful remy. >> and the beautiful bill. >> and beautiful nick. i guess i should go back to andy levy for the post game wrap up. >> remy are you going to be on a boring network soon? >> thank you for asking. monday is the 21st of this month i will be on cnn headline news with nancy grace. >> what case are you going to talk about? >> i will be bringing the defense perspective. >> but don't watch mr. o'reilly. watch that instead. whatever. >> can we talk about some old scooby doo cases or maybe hardy boys? that would be fun....

Before goes into the background, and really the burden shifts. in a criminal case it's the government's burden to prove someone guilty yard. -- beyond a reasonable doubt. when the defendant take the stand it really becomes, did the jury believe him? is he credible? i think that's the high mountain that blagojevich has to slime here. the jury has heard over a hundred tapes of him talking to pay to play, talking about selling the senate seat, how he could personally enrich himself and he's got to juxtapose that to this idea that he was governor paoeuting -- fighting for people. a and that is a h...

What's your take on it? >> there's always two sides to the law. many more sides than that. from a defense perspective let's back up. first we have to look and see if the accuracy and reliability -- is this russians spreading misinformation and our intelligence agencies were spying in on them. let's throw this out there to add further sort of issues as it relates to america. we disrupted their election. now let's just disrupt the whole electoral -- the whole electoral process. let's disrupt the presidency. we have to be cautious with regard to whether it's accurate. moving on from that assuming...