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The party is rebuilding and what the personalities say, what the messages say about where the party is going. so here's the results from the straw poll as you look at ted cruz. rand paul on top again, 31%. ted cruz second. ralph reed, what does this tell us about where the party is? >> it tells you they want somebody who is going to be an unapologetic defender of unalloyed, undiluted conservative. what concerns them about for lack of a better term the establishment. i'm not a big fan of that term. but certainly, the elected official wing of the party, the consulting class is that they sometime...

None of the rest of this matters. and you are absolutely accurate in saying that this administration cannot articulate a national strategic defense posture right now. and that's important because our allies need to know what it is so they can come alongside of us with their acquisition. but also so that our opponents and enemies know. when you talked about the ukraine just a few moments ago, remember it was the russians that told president obama take all of your missile defense systems out of europe. he said yes, sir, took them out, put them on the back of the navy, gave the navy no additional...

I think he's a very intriguing figure. i think the big problem for him is outliving or becoming a bigger figure than his father who casts a pretty wide shadow. always been seen as a political figure. >> you know, i think there's -- >> nick, what are the politics of rand paul in comparison to dad? and first of all, maybe distinguish between where father and son stand relative to their platforms. i think we all think we know rand paul because we do know ron paul so well. >> yeah. and i don't know that -- you know, i don't think the apple falls all that far from the tree. on the key issue of defe...

To african-american audiences and talking about how we have to reform our drug laws which i think it's about time we take a fresh look at that. i think he's a very intriguing figure. i think the big problem for him is outliving or becoming a bigger figure than his father who casts a pretty wide shadow. always been seen as a political figure. >> you know, i think there's -- >> nick, what are the politics of rand paul in comparison to dad? and first of all, maybe distinguish between where father and son stand relative to their platforms. i think we all think we know rand paul because we do know ...

You mentioned, you know, the senate democrats were put kind of in between a rock and a hard place, and the president would have been forced to veto something that took away very valuable provisions from the affordable care act that i think are tremendously important and are being overlooked. i mean, these plans that have been canceled did not -- they were not adding value back to the health care system, and to be honest, we've had plans getting canceled from year to year. we're acting as if this is new. so this is definitely putting the white house in kind of the defense posture, and certainly...