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Penalty phase of this trial. >> the -- essentially the defense proceeding in the way they proceeded by not contesting the basic facts in the trial phase, is to hope to essentially build up credibility, and i think achieve some kind of catharsis so they have a better chance in the penalty phase. and obviously, you can't speak for the jury, but it did feel today there was a sense in boston from the coverage i read and the people i saw online talking about this, some sense of anguish, but some emotional catharsis associated with this verdict. >> catharsis is an interesting and very good way of de...

Of several weeks of graphic testimony. and the beginning the incipient part of the other phase, the penalty phase of this trial. >> the -- essentially the defense proceeding in the way they proceeded by not contesting the basic facts in the trial phase, is to hope to essentially build up credibility, and i think achieve some kind of catharsis so they have a better chance in the penalty phase. and obviously, you can't speak for the jury but it did feel today there was a sense in boston from the coverage i read and the people i saw online talking about this some sense of anguish, but some emotio...