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Him in 2011. the american majority has said it wants a government that cares more about making things better than making itself smaller. do you agree this is an opportunity for president obama to move his agenda forward or is there a risk that much have asserted of overplaying your hand? >> i think president obama has said he wants too teach the republicans a lesson and wants to end this time when republicans believe they can use the shutdowns and use the deficit ceiling as a way of negotiating for positions. we live in an age of divided government. i think this is symbolic of the deep and pro...

Metaphorically. the deficit ceiling is what it is. unless you want that brought back in your face then you need to be more flexible on obama-care. bill: what is your sense about how united republicans are? are there any breaks in the ranks? any cracks in that armor? >> when you have seen on the floor the entire republican party vote together in the house, that's pretty encouraging. there are always disagreements. there are disagreements in my family when you love each other you can have disagreements. if everybody agrees, all but one is unnecessary. but we are united in trying to help american...

Americans. if you are serious about deficit reduction, you should couple the two things together. >> every time i hear talk about serious about handling our deficit, the first thing i think of is that everyone -- republicans and democrats, i realize your party doesn't run the house right now, but everybody has gone off and is looking forward lame duck to handle things like the deficit ceiling, all the bush tax cuts and those issues, lame duck, after the election. if everyone's so serious about handling the problems, why isn't everyone right here, right now, working 24/7 on the problem? >> what...

For the wealthiest americans. if you're serious about debt reduction, you should do what every bi-partisan commission has recommended and couple those things together. >> every time i here talk about -- hear talk about handling the deficit, the first thing i think of is everyone, republicans and democrats, i realize your party doesn't run the house right now, but everybody has gone off and is looking towards lame duck to handle things like the deficit ceiling, all the bush tax cuts, all those sort of issues lame duck after election. if everyone is so serious about handling those problems, why ...

Cutting spending the way this deal does. >> two things. i don't like the defense department being short shrift. i don't like the people who need medicare being short sheeted. and in august, the deficit ceiling fight when the white house and the house and the senate couldn't -- >> i know what -- >> yeah. >> if we can't hit our targets, we need to come up with a new way to find savings. how about cutting congressional pay 10%? how about making all of us suffer, not just the medicare people and the department of defense. how about an across-the-board cut, where everybody has to feel pain if we ca...