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Massive substantive and legislative issue. >> tim carney, i think the person i'd like to be least right now in washington, d.c. is paul ryan who has spent his entire life being a deficit hawk. but you look at what the president is promising, which is more coverage, costing less, and you look at the 20 trillion dollar debt and you look at these protests, which republicans, i don't think, are going to be lulled into a false sense of security like democrats were in 2009. and suddenly, paul ryan is thinking, man, how do i make all of these numbers add up? how do we stop a 20 trillion dollar debt t...

Plan for raising any of that money and they have a very strong deficit hawk caucus among the republicans. so before they even get to us, i'm not sure they can get through their own party. this could be like obamacare. their budget could be a situation where they simply can't get republican agreement on what to do. >> your book is about corporate infiltration in american democracy, the way that dollars operate on capitol hill and, and a lot of it -- the analysis was persuasive to me. i'm pre-disposed to find it persuasive but it was persuasive. immigration seems like an opposite example. all th...

The way, how are your immigration papers? >> so here's where it seems there will be a big fight with you folks in the senate and the house. particularly with the senate, which is money. we've seen huge increases in the budget and staffing of i.c.e., customs and border patrol which doubled in the last second term of the bush administration. it went up even more under barack obama, we've seen huge increases in deportations, though they've tailed down a bit. one thing that seems clear is they'll want to give a lot of money to this agency. a lot of it is. that going to be a fight the democrats are...

He attacked the judges themselves. he said so-called justice. >> well, the president communicates differently than i do or a lot of other people do. we'll see how that goes. i think taking a lot of time focusing on whether it's a so-called justice or a so-called judge is not the best use of anybody's time including the president's. >> we're focused -- including the president's. i appreciate that. we're focused on the confirmation of a supreme court justice, what i think is a good use of everyone's time. >> i do, too. >> you're very careful with the taxpayer's money, a deficit hawk. do you thin...

Another day. so it's clear whoever you are, if about you're a deficit hawk or budget hawk or military hawk, you can find some things in the trump agenda to like and push for and try to steer the mob be from the inside, but nobody knows if the mob can really be steered. >> and i keep on emphasizing, donald trump will get to nominate a supreme court justice as soon as he wants. this week, next week. he said he will do it the first two week. and that will unify republicans and probably do other things, as well. "early start" continues right now. we did it. we did it. and now the work begins. >>...