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Huge infrastructure plan, that will blow up the deficit. >> by the way, that's something that rand paul was in favor of. he was open to it as long as it's paid for and the idea of a tax holiday is out there. but i don't know if it will amount to a trillion bucks. >> i've never seen that done before. if you're going to do a infrastructure plan, you suck it up and do it. if you believed a government build stuff and people go back to work, you do it. you if you can believe the infrastructure plan and the tax cut plan. before the impact of extra people working and extra money, there will be a defi...

Picks are outsiders. they are business people. and i think the thing that i continue to be hopeful about with the exception of the deficit because it's going to play back into that, trump wants to win. he wants to go down in history as a great leader. the good news is he's not going to be beholding to what he ran on b what will work over four years. bad news for the deficit is he won't be concerned with 20 years down the road and concerned with his legacy and the least responsive to deficit issue to your point before but other than frankly flynn and we've talked about bannon, i have no issues....

The debt ceiling. if congress wants to try to overturn that, they can. of course -- >> a two-thirds vote. >> -- overturn a veto. look, it serves no real useful purpose right now. we need to deal with our long-term deficit issue, and in the near term, we have to focus on jobs and the economy and the other things -- >> you say long term. the cbo report, you know, there was a lot of political back-and-forth about the health care law, the cbo was depressing in the last seven years. next three years, deficit going down, economy growing, but you say long term, seven year, ten years from now long ter...

Picked paul ryan to be their vice presidential nominee in 2012. they wanted to keep the heat on, on this deficit issue, right? paul ryan was their deficit guy, and that deficit argument, that the deficit was too big, one of their main arguments against re-elected president obama. we have just received the new estimate of what the deficit is going to be by the end of this year. this is what the deficit had been up through last year, so 2009. that's president obama's first year, 2010, 2011, 2012. now show the next year. this is what they had projected the deficit would be by the end of this ye...

Urgency is a little bit off. the deficit issue can cut both ways. >> it might increase the torpor. i've covered the hill on the presidency, i've never seen the static quality that we have about washington today. the president is out there in washington trying to do something about it. very, very difficult. >> to follow up -- the point here that we have something that is somewhat rare which is the private sector economist, the study that krystal was citing showing a real consensus among private sector and public sector economists finding the deficit emphasis has impeded the economic recovery. a...