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Balanced the budget every time. i mean, that's either true or false. >> well, what he did do was technically bring it into balance. he borrowed $4.4 billion. he engaged in accounting shifts. he advanced payments on taxes. he delayed paying bills and he pushed a bag load of spending down to local governments. but each and every year he was governor we ran deficits and they kept accruing each and every term. we were in a deficit position from 2003 on, long before the recession. >> arnie carlson, great to have you with us tonight. thank you for speaking up. >> always a pleasure. >> thank you. don...

That is the same as greece, as the countries around the world that we think are irresponsible. so we are entering into a terrible fiscal position. we have government spending that is 25% of our gdp. our government spending is $3.5 trillion. and our revenue is $2.4. so we are in a terrible deficit position that none of us could sustain. and our nation can't sustain it. and so deficit reduction has got to be fact-based. it can't be politicized. it was interesting that yesterday "the wall street journal" had an editorial which basically said, obama says i can tax the rich, and therefore all our p...

>> i think these cults are totally unreasonably. >> is it the president, john boehner, harry reid, is it the tea party? there is a lot of finger pointing going on. so who is to blame? >> i heard speaker bane noehner it was not a revenue problem but a spending problem. we have lost 8 million jobs. that is a revenue problem. we have surpluses as far as the eyes could see in 2000, tax cuts, two wars, katrina. the financial bailout put us in this deficit position. we can't cure this deficit position by taking it out on federal workers or public employees. their pay, their pension, furloughing. tha...