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Hard decisions, something forces congress's hand. so again, what will the president accept as a consequence to force the congress's hand? >> again it might be more enjoyable to negotiate this with you this morning. i can't get into a great amount of detail, but i think that, one, we have to make sure that you can agree on the initial set of spending cuts. the process for the committee, it's essential we think that the debt ceiling get extended off into the future so it doesn't hurt the economy. then we want to make sure whatever enforcement mechanism is something, one, that if it were triggere...

And basically some tax increase -- increased tax reven reven revenues, getting rid of loopholes, kantor was expressing skepticism about getting it through the house, not necessarily skeptical in trying to do a big plan but on the numbers himselves. he's of course bun one of the g counting votes. the white house is trying to soothe democrats frantically pushing back that reports on social security are on the debt ceiling table. yesterday he had a hard time not tripping all over that message. watch. >> the president specifically said it should not be included and now you guys are acknowledging i...

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Or are they just pretending to be serious while side stepping unpopular steps? taking a look at new details of the deal reached last week, you get the senseç progressive and liberals have been relegated to the thanksgiving kiddie table while paul ryan, john boehner and the tea party might be the new power brokers in town. joining us now, nbc's savannah guthrie who's live at the white house. savannah, the white house is being very coy about what the president is going to say tomorrow. are we feeling miffed because we like to tell people in advance or are they fighting internally over what oba...

Higher, it's going to have to be scaled back. but in the end, the numbers are minimal compared to the kind of deficit problems that everyone says we have to deal with. so unless you put taxes on the table, that's a much tougher thing. never mind about the billions in spending cuts. unless you deal with taxes and entitlements, you are not going to deal with it. that's where it gets tricky for tea party folks. >> seems they couldn't have had a worse start to lose three bills in a row, to lose on any bills at the outset is a message to your own caucus that the leadership does not have control of ...