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Right now it is 65. you bring it down to 55. it is going to solve a whole lot of problems for older workers. second thing you can do, in states where there is not a lot of competition, you can have a public option. you can make something like a medicare plan or a medicaid plan available to everybody at a reasonable cost. third thing you could do to save a whole lot of money is to lower the outrageously high cost of prescription drugs in this country right now by allowing pharmacists and distributors to buy lower cost prescription drugs from canada and other countries, substantially lowering th...

And drug companies to make incredible profits and we have to deal with that. the bottom line is getting back to this legislation. th it would have thrown 22 million people, mostly lower-income people, off of health insurance. these are people with cancer, with diabetes, with heart disease, children with disabilities. this bill would have substantially raised premiums for old workers. you're 62 years of age, what a defunded plan. this was a disaster and i'm glad the american people were able to defeat it. >> come back to your use of the world diss word disaster. the cbo does say up to 15 millio...

At all americans' life and see what decisions they make. if you allow the marketplace to work, the wonder and beauty of capitalism, the invisible hand is that when everybody strives through self-interest to maximize a profit, interestingly, the great benefit of this supply and command crosses and you distribute the most amount of goods at the least amount of cross. >> in the case of health care, don't you end up in a situation where we all like to think we're not going to get sick. so i am going to buy the cheepest plan i have and then got forbid i get sick, i haven't bought the right plan for...

Regulatory mandates that cost $10,000 a year for you and you're just a working guy and you can't pay $10,000 out of $30,000, you have to free up people so they don't have all the regulations. does it mean we don't want people to have pre-existing coverage and pregnancy and dental coverage. but if you want everything, it gets too expensive for people to buy it. that's the death spiral of obamacare. sicker people got the insurance. and what happened is the insurance premiums went through the roof. >> right. >> that's what we're struggling with right now. >> so i understand how you're explaining ...