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My second question is on government spending. there have been reports that you might be looking at $10 trillion over the course of ten years. is that accurate? and would you be willing to wrap up the title to get there? >> i think, first -- i'll take the other one first on entitlements -- or on spending. look, you saw this with the hiring freeze. there's been, frankly, to some degree a lack of respect for taxpayer dollars in this town for a long time. i think what the president is showing through the hiring freeze, first and foremost today, is we have to respect the american taxpayer. they're ...

Incumbent upon them and they have constant communications about important issues and strategic programs. it's incumbent to keep the president advised. now, one thing that's interesting in all of this is the shock and dismay that's being expressed by our european allies when in fact every country to the resources they have allowable to them, they're all involved in spying on their neighbors and their allies. >> you say expressing shock. do you think it's not that genuine? you think they know exactly what's been going on? >> i think what we're seeing is to some degree a play to the public. there...

President and democrats have to decide do we really want this kind of package, or do you want to go more for a balanced package that we talked about and then they have to walk it back themselves to the middle? >> well, you know, that's an interesting question. they made that initial deal or that public offer last week without any expectation that republicans were going to take it. i suppose there's a strategy in basketball, you know. a guy -- you're defending a player and he's leaning into you and step back and he falls back down on the ground. republicans could try some variation of that. i g...

The secrecy of both programs particularly the cyber program to not discuss it. so the united states has never acknowledged ever using a cyber weapon. for drones, you can't deny it. i mean, you see the result. >> yeah, but it's also a question as to how the president's constituents deal with this. steve, we've talked about the very uncomfortable position i think this puts a lot of folks on the left. there have been to some degree a lack of discussion about this i think because it's hard for people to wrap their heads around. this idea that president obama's continuing and in some cases amplifyi...

edwards. the trial itself was no less tabloid about funneling cash from a 92-year-old heiress to edwards' pregnant mistress rielle hunter during the 2008 presidential primary. the jury did not believe this violated campaign finance law and could not decide on the rest of it. the judge declared a mistrial. >> i wanted to say first, thank you for the jurors and their incredibly hard work. and their diligence. they took their job very, very seriously. all i can say is thank goodness we live in a country that has the kind of system that we have. >> well, that system in all likelihood won...