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Lower people. you look at the documents. you interview up the chain and then you really find out what happens. that is, undoubtedly, what will happen in the many lawsuit that is come up but that's going to take a long time. meantime, i think congress is right. you have to bring in the top person and see what they say. >> the other people that need to be brought in, there were some hearings about mms today and will be more with this committee, the folks from mms and what was going on with mms not only over the bush administration, but under the obama administration. >> the last year and a half,...

We have to just completely turn it, you know 360 degrees. >> 180. >> seriously, because it -- the numbers that started me the most is there's something like -- i'm just rounding up. say 20 something wells along the pacific. you've got like a dozen mms people assigned to the safety of those wells. we have thousands of wells off the gulf and like two dozen have 60 mms inspectors. >> that's not enough. >> obviously not enough. >> there was obviously too cozy a relationship between mms and oil companies. >> but we've known that forever. >> instead of being a watchdog, they were a lap dog. what we ...