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Investigation is they are getting a lot of information and a lot of cooperation from really key players. so, they're going to be able to build a case. probably a case that will include testimony from bannon or mark meadows or some of these people, who actually see profit in the delay for themselves. mark meadows has a book to sell. so, what's wrong with him spending a year fighting this thing in court and helping his book in whatever ways it can? an>> yeah, i mean, we shall see. i am encouraged by the fact that whenever you talk to members of the 96 committee, particularly senior members, they...

But if he can stretch out the legal proceedings to last as long as possible, hopefully through next year, well then, hey, maybe he'll get lucky and republicans will win back control of congress next fall, where upon they will undoubtedly fully get back in line behind trump and they will shut the investigation down entirely. why would they want to investigate the january 6th attack? so his delay strategy is really his only strategy. every day he delays, every day this bangs around in the court system another day is another day he effectively wins. you think the courts would get wise to that and...

And that, if nothing else, will succeed in further delaying the matter, and that is not incidental in this case. that in fact appears to be his only real game at this point. he does not have any great legal arguments to make. for why his white house records should be handed over. that's why there was a decisive earlier federal ruling against him. that's why things went so poorly for him today in the courtroom at the appeals court. the legal arguments on his side are gossamer. but if he can stretch out the legal proceedings to last as long as possible, hopefully through next year, well then, he...

The presidency, let's protect it against presidents misbehaving in office and sort of getting in congress's way to investigate them. that's the thing we should be looking, you know, when it's a question of the future and what we want as a nation, and so we want, you know, anyway, you got my point. >> no, i get your point, and you're right. you also think about the notion of, hey, the court took this in a timely fashion, but i'm sure that the trump legal team will try to run out the clock in some way or drag this out as long as possible, including they want the documents requested by the commit...

Question of the future and what we want as a nation, and so we want, you know, anyway, you got my point. >> no, i get your point, and you're right. you also think about the notion of, hey, the court took this in a timely fashion, but i'm sure that the trump legal team will try to run out the clock in some way or drag this out as long as possible, including they want the documents requested by the committee to be gone through page by page, which could actually stretch on for months or years. is this plan at this point to try to stretch this out as long as possible? >> that was the one, and you ...