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To be trump's strategy with a sort of healthy side dose of delay tactics. >> it's a gamble to say the least. katie, according to the search warrant documents, walt is nauta on tape moving the boxes. what do you think jack smith and the prosecutors want from him now? or are these just the consequences that he faced for lying to them it is voluntary interview? >> oh, katie, i think you're muted. it even happens to pulitzer prize, winners y'all. >> it's certainly being charged with lying is a consequence for lying to prosecutors so it's not surprised but i think what receding is in the newly unre...

What we do and, you know, without interference, do it. especially -- i don't know why walt is having such trouble because i think that that would be a representation that a lot of people would be interested in. so i would definitely encourage, you know, the florida lawyers to take a hard look at that and try and get into that. >> i know some people raised their hand, but nobody has been able to sign on the dotted line. some of it could be delay tactics. i will let you have the find word. as we have this indictment and are waiting on possibly a second one. it is unclear. >> i think it is an unp...

Obstacles than his man previous bouts in civil court. there is still a substantial menu for him to choose from. talk to us about how these delay tactics that the forme president likes to employ coul play out in state court. >> sure. and let's just start with ho they could play out in any court, any defendant would b able to do a series of pretria motions and maneuvers that could take eight months, ten months but there is a speedy trial ac in new york. and you would think that trump would be eager to have to be vindicated it's also the case, symone, in new york, that many kinds of rulings in th...

And most of all, trump's already lost the same executive privilege claim, 8 to 1, in the u.s. supreme court. just last year. so, it's going nowhere. trump will try and use this for months of delay, i don't think it's gonna work. the nation's second highest court, the d.c. circuit, where this appeal is being lodged, just last week, gave trump about six hours, or the government about six hours, to respond to trump's appeal and denied the whole thing within 24 hours. i suspect, maybe not that fast of a timetable, but a very, very fast time table, lawrence, federal judges are getting increasingly ...

Testify. cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor jennifer rogers is joining me now. hi jennifer. so how do you expect trump's appeal to play out? i know you've said that the arguments over executive privilege that trump has been making trying to prevent. you know, his former aides from testifying have been quite weak. that's right. i'm ra, there's direct supreme court president right on point usb nixon in a criminal investigations if the government can prove a demonstrated need for testimony that will overcome executive privilege, so on the merits, he's going to lose. this again is jus...