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To go in, beat up the bad guys, but we don't have to be in there providing order and such. what do you think of that argument? >> well, i think among the many lessons that we've learned in the era of the post-9/11, you can't fight them just with special operations. you do need to do delta raids especially against high-value targets, but that's not enough. that can achieve a security improvement, but what solidifies that security foundation is all the other activities that are necessary, the restoration of basic services, the reestablishment of grievance mechanisms, markets, schools, health cli...

Says we can use special forces to go in, beat up the bad guys, but we don't have to be in there providing order and such. what do you think of that argument? >> well, i think among the many lessons that we've learned in the era of the post-9/11, you can't fight them just with special operations. you do need to do delta raids and so forth and to support partners on the ground, but that's not enough. that can achieve a security improvement, but what solidifies that security foundation is all the other activities that are necessary, the restoration of basic services, the reestablishment of grieva...