course, you may get confused on whether you re talking about the same piece of cement the question is are you calling it 13 or 31. but that s right. that s why i ve been saying all along, if it was 13 down at the end of the runway right on that berm before you would go back over into the water. and msnbc s tramaine lee joins me by phone. what can you see from your vantage point? i m at delta terminal d at laguardia inside there s not much chaos outside. as far as i can see, there are ambulances and fire response vehicles and emergency response vehicles but i don t see many people, about 10 or 15 minutes ago i saw emergency personnel wheeling in stretchers into the airplane but i haven t seen anyone come out as of yesterday. and tom costello as you can