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>> the debt ceiling historically has been among the best leverage that congress has to reign in the executives. >> yes. >> and what else? >> my point is that there's great historical precedence. since 1978, we raised the debt ceiling 58 times. 20 times congress attached very specific and stringent requirements, many of the most significant spending restraints. so the president's demand jack up the nation's credit card with no limits, no constraints, it's not reasonable. >> how far are you willing to go because i'm going to imagine that a number of your republican colleagues as well as all the ...

Week after columbus day because you have two camps saying we won't move, we don't need to move and the stakes are so high that we're not going to negotiate about them. i don't know that that's going to happen. but i do know that it certainly suits the political purposes toto toen think that it will. >> this is senator cruz on cnn this morning. he talked about once again trying to tie defunding obama care to the debt ceiling negotiations. take a listen. >> we should look for ways to mitigate the harms from obama care. since 1978, we've raised the debt ceiling 55 times. a majority of those times...