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Important ones. i think tuesday was really about expanding economic growth, expanding opportunity for all americans, minimum wage is an important part of that. it's an issue that divides republicans, divides very conservative members of the republican caucus against more moderate ones because i think people recognize in this economy it is unfair, it is basically unfair to work 40 hours and live in poverty. and we know -- and we know that -- we know that we have demand problem in this economy. people don't have enough income and that we need to increase that. >> but politically you think it's o...

Capacity within that economy. paul krugman tried to drive home this lesson in his column, saying, unemployment in today's american economy is limited by demand, not supply. businesses aren't failing to hire because they can't find willing workers. they're failing to hire because they can't find enough customers and slashing unemployment benefits, which would have the side effect of reducing incomes, and hence, consumer spending would just make the situation worse. and richard wolffe, i have not heard a conservative or a libertarian in congress address that economic principle. >> you know, this...

California has had about 80,000 people sign up. washington state where i'm spending thanksgiving has had really good enrollment. those specific examples suggest that there isn't a demand problem, that a lot of people are interested in purchasing these products. but there's technical obstacles standing in their way. we won't know if that's the case everywhere or if that's more limited to some of these states that have embraced obama care until this website really gets up and running at the rate the administration would like it to be. >> we talk about that as well, sarah, the rates and 50,000 us...

This is happening across the country and republicans are deluding themselves if they think these piecemeal pieces are going to mean anything. >> if we agree that a delay in the mandate just not going to happen, what's the out here? >> i think that's a question that you have to ask the bulk of boehner's caucus. they have to decide on what the actual victory is. but i do think that they're going to insist on a victory. it depends on the size and the nature of that, that they are going to insist on a policy victory, which is why i think you'll see a continued can kick and see continued holding to...

The mandate just not going to happen, what's the out here? >> i think that's a question that you have to ask the bulk of boehner's caucus. they have to decide on what the actual victory is. but i do think that they're going to insist on a victory. it depends on the size and the nature of that, that they are going to insist on a policy victory, which is why i think you'll see a continued can kick and see continued holding to this. >> but why is it -- we did this thing last night about -- well, we did a thing last night about the ryan budget and how close the current sequestration levels are to ...