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Giving 11 million seniors a choice, destroy that program. now they took, they are taking out $200 billion over 10 years. they re just sticking in about 8 billion, we think. we re trying to get the documentation. but what they have done is to not let the seniors and the public know how bad this is going to be. and gouging out either medicare or medicare advantage, or jacking up the price for tricare for the military. it is a political decision there. bill: they re puttinstuff off. what hhs argues, sir, this is demonstration project and they run demo projects all the time. do you buy that? not the republicans or the house committee has said, that you know, we re not coming up and saying that this is not a demo project. the general accounting office says looked at it already, this is where we got some of the tip-off, ....

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