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Obviously, it is july, things are a little bit different. showdown and shutdown, is that good for the democrats out of the midterms? >> it's difficult to say, right, republicans were in control and shut down the government in 2013 and gained the largest majority since herbert hover in 2014 and slid into more power. i think right before the election, shutdown would be 37 days before election day. i think the president now has said, basically, i'm okay with shutting down the government, not basically, he has said that. he is putting the onus, he's saying he's fine and comfortable with the shut d...

>> are you that sure democrats will have a blue wave and republicans will lose the house, are you that sure? >> they don't need a blue wave, they need 23 seats, not 53. >> a stick freeze. >> they don't need a current just a good riptide. >> is it a bad idea to believe in your own hype? doesn't that depress turnout? >> yes. you believe your own hype all the way to the finish line and you don't win. >> i'm a slave to the traffic light. time is up. jake and susan, thank you very much. ahead, andrea mitchell, breaking news and blazing trails. ♪

>> not at all. no, not at all. the mere fact that you work in an administration doesn't mean that you have a conflict because you're investigating an official in another administration. that is not a conflict. nowhere in the department of justice regulations is that suggested that that would be a conflict. this is stuff they're just making up, katy, in order to dirty up bob mueller. that's all it is. >> he also tweeted why is mueller only appointing angry dems, some of whom have worked for crooked hillary and others worked for obama. why isn't mueller looking at all of the criminal activity an...

Be a shutdown this fall? >> i am. this doesn't help anyone. no one here in congress is itching for a government shutdown because frankly that shows that we're not able to do our most important job here, which is to compromise and to move things forward. president trump seems to think a shutdown is a great idea, and i'll remind you that what he's threatening to shut down the government over is getting full funding for his proposal for a border wall, which he campaigned saying he would somehow get mexico to pay for it. now he's demanding that the american taxpayer spend billions of dollars on a ...

President for doing the same thing, if we want to solve problems we have to talk to people. >> small caveat, he's meeting without pre-conditions or saying he will do that but not doing the planning or staff planning associated with a meeting at this same level. on the one hand, the same thing, i will meet without pre-conditions, obama was criticized for that. but have a fully staffed state department that did the staffing work necessary to make sure we didn't go into one of these meetings and -- >> of course -- >> have somebody transcribed the interim. >> and have a president follow the notes,...