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Result of people saying in 2001 and 2003, if you pass the tax cuts, everything is going to be okay and have jobs and the debt was increased by 87% under george bush. we were in the deepest recession -- >> neil: i understand your concern about the debt and given your history and the time there. but when you hear democrats talking, congressman, about this alarming concern for the debt when i didn't hear it over eight years. >> you've heard it from me for a long time, if you're going to be honest. you have heard me discussing this for a long time. >> neil: so what do we do now? let's say the fede...

We have seen him try this before, and it has been startlingly ineffective in anything other than getting him re-elected. he has not got his army out there. that's a big test over the next year. can he get this done? does he get out there for the mid-terms? does he pressure members of congress the way they haven't felt it before? >> what is interesting, and i will just throw this out there, here he is making the run around congress, but what i hear from people on capitol hill, why won't he come and work with us? that's democrats talking. obama has historically not been a hands on guy when it co...

He heads into this next session of congress, he's looking at the -- at bill clinton's people to see exactly what they did, how they behaved and how they managed to work with republicans. >> that's true, gloria, but as you know, he's reading the book about ronald reagan. >> that too. >> reagan's leadership intrigues him. not the policies. >> gloria, what's the big coming clash between the president and the republicans in congress? >> well, you know, it's interesting. and we'll have to see what kind of clash it is. i mean, it's clear to me that when you hear democrats talking, they're talking ab...