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Learning experience. i've been thinking about this today, sean. i think you know how i felt impacted by it. i just thought it was evidence of a broader culture. it wasn't about even those two kids. and it's not about the house. it's about that whole fraternity system. >> i have been to norman and oklahoma city so many times. i know the people there. they're not like that. >> i'm going to tell you that fraternity system is segregated. >> that's different. the fraternity system is different from -- >> on the campus i think a lot of things outside of the bubble spencer's talking about where the a...

Spencer's talking about where the athletes occupy you see lots of exclusionary type behavior. i was so impressed to see by the way the football team rk black, white, hispanic arms together, basketball team at that demonstration saying, you know what, we're going to be an example in this community. i don't think it's the case that it was too much. but i do think you have to have an opportunity for reconciliation in the christian tradition where you say this could be -- >> got to learn grow up. stop being stupid and ignorant. >> and don't just say it's about the kids. talk about the entire campu...