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If he had gotten it in as substantive evidence, good for him. it would be tremendously compelling. now he's in a place he would like to be. we saw that with the thc. that was admitted, they didn't even use it. but mark o'mara said we want to be the ones to decide whether or not to introduce evidence. that's our decision to make. again, zealous. he fought for it to get it and he made a decision we're not going to use it. >> let's remember something, though, about the cartoon. the prosecution did not object to the defense using it in closing arguments as a demonstrative aid. that tells me they t...

It's going to be played, uncross-examined and the jury will watch it. i think it's a wonderful way to break up a closing argument which may sometimes go on too long. >> this is an example of zealous advocacy. mark o'mara earlier in his interview with you, you could hear it in his voice, i don't think he ever thought it would come in as substantive evidence, but, again, that is the adversarial process. he shoots for the moon, and he gets somewhere in the middle which is where he wanted. if he had gotten it in as substantive evidence, good for him. we saw that with the thc. that was admitted, th...

Court judge and the host of judge alex. judge alex, this is getting down to the real anytimety gritty, isn't it? >> yes. >> this animation video, it's pure property begg property -- isn't it? >> they want to tell the story they believe happened. so for the prosecution to get in and say well, this doesn't have the parts we think happensed, of course it doesn't. if you create our own animation, you want put in trayvon martin zimmerman because that's the defense theory, not yours. still i think it should come in as a demonstrative aid. there are holes to be filled because some things haven't been...

To bring in a demonstrative aid to do their cross-examination. mark o'mara seized upon it pretty quick and decided if you're going to use the dummy and i'm going to show this jury what i think this went on and how physical this altercation was. all of this coming through this witness who is considered to be a use of force expert. de dennis root. do we have that sound? let's play it so you'll see the difference in the hman handling of this dummy. >> were the injuries on mr. zimmerman's back of his consistent with someone doing this on cement? >> i don't think so. >> how about this? how about so...

Judge will -- >> that was the judge's ruling. the judge specifically said that she's not going to allow it in as substantive evidence but come in as a demonstrative aid if the judge wants to use it. the jury is still going to see this animation. the defense can use it, perhaps, with a witness. but more importantly in closing argument when they try to tie together all their pieces of evidence and try to let the jury see what george zimmerman saw that day and it is going to be real effective in a closing argument as a self-defense. >> the other thing, let me let page weigh in on this, those text...