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Now, andrew, we heard jim say something that is not a point to forget. this is all going to happen again. >> of course. >> that's the problem with the republicans' argument about the process right now, is that they're trying to suggest that it's all over after this investigation. it isn't. it's just beginning. but when he gets up there and he says these things tomorrow, here's what i think they hit him with. you ever talk to the president about this? >> no. but it mattered to you so much, big shot ukraine guy, army officer, that's the commander in chief. you never now the to go to him? who did...

Biden, he asked him to investigate hunter biden, not joe biden. >> you can't look at one without -- look -- >> we've already talked about this. >> you can have your points about the process. i don't care about leaks unless it is actual national security and as a journalist i like them. >> you should be demanding those hearings be open. >> we always do. that's not a question to us. and no secret to anybody, you guys all leak, you manipulate and -- >> i 100% disagree on that. >> you can but when nunez was running up to the white house and giving information, when benghazi was getting leaked to u...

>> we did, too. >> you did not. you had the starr investigation, which was done in private and then given to congress. >> president clinton at the time lied to a grand jury. once we proved that he had lied, then we proceeded to the impeachment inquiry vote and we set the rules at the time -- >> but after -- no, no, no. >> the rules clearly gave minority the right to call their own witnesses -- >> congressman, you can't say things that aren't true on this show! >> that is absolutely true. >> the minority never had the same rights as the majority to call witnesses or subpoena and admit it. >> di...

Members of congress and ultimately convincing the american people that something was wrong, that something was wrong. >> you have two sets of jurors here de facto who have personal interest in the outcome. you guys spend so much time at a trial to try to strip that away with your potential jurors here, it's the opposite. now, andrew, we heard jim say something that is not a point to forget. this is all going to happen again. >> of course. >> that's the problem with the republicans' argument about the process right now, is that they're trying to suggest that it's all over after this investigati...

So we're joined here on "primetime" by andrew mccabe and jim baker. their big time pedigree with the fbi is very valuable right now as we try to understand from an objective, investigative perspective what things mean. from a political perspective, these two guys, i'm giving them an education on how politics is always what you expect in the courtroom. if mark wayne mullen, a congressman from oklahoma, republican, wants to say it's okay if it's one biden, not both, it's okay because the president is supposed to do it, and the process stinks and i don't care what comes out of it, it's a hard bar...