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Actors. the president has to be ready for them to lie this be ready for long-term. i think trump has gotten it right. i don't think hillary clinton would pulled it off had she won. i don't think obama tried to pull it off. they never drove the sanctions deep enough to drive kim to the table and never let kim believe the military option was truly on the table. i think trump did that on both fronts. you can sees legitimacy on the short-term -- >> that's the second part then, so what does the president get out of this? because complete denuke saig, it has been said they'd never give up their nucl...

U.s. losing leverage in the process and getting way less verification of whatever you do get in the end, the u.s. losing influence. remember, we're already seeing china meeting with kim jong-un and suddenly thing seem to change for the u.s. after that. you see russia yesterday with kim jong-un. all of a sudden they're saying, oh, denuke saig is a long phase in process where north korea could get sanctions releases along the way. he's standing next to kim jong-un saying that. that is the opposite of what the u.s. wants. the u.s. wants to be extremely careful in this. >> michelle and samantha th...