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June, when the whole thing is over, things might get cleaned up with some presidential pardons. we have seen giuliani go from denying collusion, to arguing collusion isn't a crime. making clear his job is to obfuscate and not to clarify. joining me now is joyce vance and betsy woodrow. is giuliani clownish in his role as his performance has been clownish. what is his role? >> i can't imagine we will ever see him in court representing the president of the united states. the sorts of arguments that he is making is really more of a pr