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Pardons are used as part of a conspiracy or a scheme to obstruct justice and take down the legal system, they can form a pattern offi impeachable offenses that's what we're seeing. >> alan dershowitz says that anything that's a presidential power, whenever exercised by the president, by definition you can't impeach the president for that. you two have a sharp disagreement over this for example in the pardon power. professor dershowitz would hold that any use of the pardon power is justifiable and cannot be an impeachable offense. >> i don't know what planet my former colleague is on but he has...

President's pardon issues. he views the pardon power the same way as he views every other aspect of law enforcement. that is a way to punish his critics, in this case the prosecutors who brought these cases, people like preet bharara, pat fitzgerald, and to reward allies and, you know, people who are supportive of him. it's very hard to justice any of these pardons on their own. when you lay over the top of that, the message he's sending, it's a clear message to people in the russia investigation, and that is i am ready and willing to use this power to my benefit. "the washington post" has a q...

Campaign finance laws. it seems the president is sitting around the oval office looking to pardon people who were convicted of the offenses that donald trump's friends and staff and others near donald trump just might be charged with. joining our discussion now, lawrence tribe, harvard law school professor and author of a new book "the power of impeachment" thank you for joining us tonight. i want to get your reaction to what the president revealed today about his use of the pardon power. >> i think he made absolutely clear that he's using it to protect the rich and famous and the people who d...

Flynn and paul manafort and even robert s. mueller iii, indict people for crimes that don't pertain to russian collusion and this is what could happen. the special counsel has awesome powers, as you know, but the president has even more awesome powers. so there's roger stone translating the pardon for us. >> he got the signal, although i wouldn't say there's any exception for russian collusion. i mean, this is a very strong signal to everybody who's being investigated by the southern district of new york or by robert mueller that if they just don't hurt the president, he will protect them. it'...

So as trump and his minions accuse the deep state of trying to politicize the russia investigation, basically undermine federal law enforcement, he's now pardoning people that he's defining as victims of law enforcement to delejet mize the notion of prosecution. so he may be sending a message to everyone, i'll take care of you, but at the same time he's also discrediting this institution of his own government. >> matt miller, he's bypassing the pardon office in the justice department completely. >> yes, which is supposed to weigh pardons and prns applications and make recommendations to the pr...