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Got screwed and he wants him out there, he wants him back out there being able to talk on tv, is there any debate these are politically motivated pardons? >> no, no real debate about that. the presidential pardon is political in nature. it is a power that rests with the president and it is an awesome power that rests with the presidency. it is not just d'souza. look at the past pardons this president issued for sheriff joe arpaio in arizona or for scooter libby, the former chief of staff to vice president cheney who got caught up in the valerie plame affair. it is clearly par for the course fo...

Fitzgerald, a very close personal friend of james comey. used to sleep on comey's couch as a matter of fact. >> and now part of -- kind of on the legal team. >> right. and martha stewart who he's talking about pardoning as well, the prosecutor in that case and want to put the whole case together was comey. he talks about it extensively in his book, how that was a send a message case. i think trump is sending messages to people in his administration, don't worry, i'll pardon you, but also slapping the face of comey, fitzgerald and anybody else in the justice department that he thinks have cross...

President has the right to do this. nobody has to confirm it. there are no checks and balances. this is how donald trump regards the presidency. why aren't all my powers like pardon power? >> good point. >> why does anybody have to say anything? so, suddenly he's realized this is something -- >> he found a button he can press. >> he can go like that. >> do what i want. >> i can do what i want. >> good point. >> that is what he's doing now and that is why it is also so scary. >> there is a process for this. i lived through this. most normal people seeking a pardon go through the justice departm...

President's attorney, michael cohen, has had this big question hanging over it. will the president try to fix this for his personal attorney by using his pardon power? the president has already pardoned at least a couple of people without going through any kind of justice department process. there is a whole process at the justice department for dealing with pardons. he has not used that. he's just pardoned people when he felt it. will he do the same thing about the possibility of a michael cohen pardon? would that even help michael cohen get out of this fix? good questions. the other question...

Trump's appointee to lead the southern district of new york is named jeffrey berman. he's a trump donor. he's somebody who worked on the trump transition. he's somebody who took a personal interview with trump for the job, before he was named to it, which is not the kind of thing presidents typically do was attorneys. he's also not incidentally rudy giuliani's law partner. because of all of those things, it was not the world's greatest shock when we learned that jeffrey berman, also, despite the fact that he leads this office, he is not involved in the michael cohen case. we learned that right...