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Very specific and -- and you know, people in this country who a lot of people understandably have a lot of compassion for. >> yeah. i mean, this is -- the reaction -- one of the reactions we're hearing across the board is, congress should do something. from democrats, republicans, and even conservatives. of course, hearing very -- some hard-line immigration folks who just want to see daca ended with no fix. i'm telling you, that is the different element on this. paul, let me bring you in on this, because i still do have a lot of questions and want to know what your questions are. we're seeing ...

I'm talking about how courts will see this. don't attack me, this is how federal courts will see this as a matter of law. that said, the trump administration, first of all, donald trump mocking a senator for crying? seriously? then i want us to stop -- i wan to circle this word because it's frightening. >> betrayed. betrayed the department of justice. >> to suggest someone acting as a conscientious objector to a law that has divided this country would be termed as, quote, betrayed the justice department. that is deeply, deeply offensive first of all. but secondly, it's frightening the justice ...