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And i'm taking the fifth amendment, you can stop asking me questions, there's an actual procedure that goes along with that deposition questioning. can you possibly expand a little bit more on the idea that the fifth amendment process would work with a civil context, versus a criminal context? >> so this is something that gets overlooked a lot,. and you can't just say i'm not going to show up for my deposition i'll assert my fifth amendment right, you actually have to listen to each question. and go through it one line at a time before you assert it. in a criminal case, this would pretty much ...

You and i would with take if we had to sit for a deposition, you commit perjury. and because it's open season in terms of the discovery and the deposition questioning, when donald trump was asking questions to the robert mueller team, thaw were written questions. there wasn't anything that hadn't been reviewed kaurfully. this is different. he's in a deposition setting. you're not going to be able to reign him un. who's going to be able to say what he wants to say. >> suppose he says i'm not going to listen to a lawyer. i'm president of the united states. i'm not going to go to a perjury trap. ...