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The news and cove aring the story until the president says no quid pro quo to gordon sondland and we know what happened next. michael what do you think of all this? >> i think that the testimony that was released this week by the house judiciary committee is interesting and adds pieces to the overall impeachment inquiry. i don't think -- i do think it's significant that mark sandy testified, an omb career official, testified about the mechanics how money was withheld. that the money to ukraine was withheld. the president does have the authority to the withhold aid. you have to separate two dif...

Will they this time, based on what we've seen up to this point, the answer would seem like no. but however this is a different phase. as you noted. and there is upside for the white house playing a role in this. keep in mind if the white house declines to participate or help out with this part of the process, jerry nadler has the option based on this is characterized to shut the white house out. so there is incentive to participate but the question remains will they, wolf. >> i understand more deposition transcript have just been released. what are you learning. >> reporter: the last two trans...

Front of the cameras that there was an explicit quid pro quo, that the aid was being held up until, in part, one of the reasons that it was being held up was because president trump wanted the ukrainians to commit to an investigation into ukraine in 2016. i mean, mulvaney has already said that that was one of the reasons that the aid was held up. >> so, first off, mark zandi's deposition transcript, that is important for that to come out. ambassador taylor testified with regards to his interactions with president zelensky and his team, ambassador volcker testified with regards to his interacti...

Was held up. >> so first off, mark sandy's deposition transcript that is important for that to come out. ambassador taylor testified with regards to his interactions with president zelensky and his team and ambassador volker testified with regards to his interactions with president zelensky and his team. and even yermak from ukraine who is the chief under president zelensky he said that it wasn't until after they read it in pole theico in august 29th, a new story that came out over the couple of days where yarmac is quoted that is why on august 27th ukrainians were having a conversation with a...