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Depression i depre depressing. i have heard many echos here of merkel's words. joining me is david milliband. welcome. >> thank you. good to be here. >> you gave a speech on the anniversary -- one of the anniversaries of the marshal plan recently. you asked the fundamental question, i think, that the g7 summit raises, some of donald trump's rhetoric raises and that many people in europe are wondering, which is, is the transatlantic alliance over. it's a question that i think is worth kwauwondering. this was created to fight the soviet union. do you think there's a danger it atrophies? >> i thi...

Wall is not being built. i want you guys to look at these statistics from the department of homeland security on border crossings. it's kind of hard to see but you get the gist of the line going down. down. i believe it's about 40% in the last couple months, since president trump has been in office. so the question is, whether or not it's just his rhetoric that has scared people off -- but it is a remarkable turn in these statistics. >> usually this is tied to economic factors, how strong the pull of jobs is on this side of the border and how well the economy is doing on the other. it is hard ...