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About it, the unions have said they're willing to make cuts. >> there are two issues, one is balancing the budget. with respect to the give backs, they have said we'll give you those give backs, the dollars and sense. but they said, we don't agree with you, that we should be dessert phied and lose our capacity to negotiate. >> the claktive bargaining agreement. the governor should have declared victory on the financial side. and i disagree with him, but he will have the votes to win it it. >> he can still go after collective bargaining rights six months down the road? >> absolutely. >> he's gr...

Power that unions have had. democratic legislators, wisconsin has been a state for 50 years, has had these kinds of rights. they have basically gotten great advantages, i think the governor feels he has to bring them back to earth and basically beg the cuts this year, and make the adjustments early on. >> had the governor done this more diplomatically and brought the unions to the table to talk about it, the unions have said they're willing to make cuts. >> there are two issues, one is balancing the budget. with respect to the give backs, they have said we'll give you those give backs, the dol...