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Of dismissed the claims that bin laden was at tora bora, which was really startling because we -- there is just a mountain of evidence and some of that has emerged, even in the last few months in some of these detainee reports which we have seen from wikileaks showing detainee after detainee describing bin laden having been at tora bora, there was intelligence intercepts at the time, showing he was at tora bora, there really was no doubt that that was the chance to get him and we blew it. >> you know, even by absolutely objective standards, not a question of policy, that it was better to go to...

We -- there is just a mountain of evidence and some of that has emerged, even in the last few months in some of these detainee reports which we have seen from wikileaks showing detainee after detainee describing bin laden having been at tora bora, there was intelligence intercepts at the time, showing he was at tora bora, there really was no doubt that that was the chance to get him and we blew it. >> you know, even by absolutely objective standards, not a question of policy, that it was better to go to the iraq war which i was against, but simply to go after the guy that attacked him. here's ...

I know. >> one thing the last time, one of the last times i was on, we were talking about rumsfeld's book and one of the points that really leapt out at me in rumsfeld's book is that he kind of dismissed the claims that bin laden was at tora bora, which was really startling because we -- there is just a mountain of evidence and some of that has emerged, even in the last few months in some of these detainee reports, which we have seen from wikileaks, showing detainee after detainee describing bin laden having been at tora bora. there was intelligence intercepts at the time showing he was at tor...