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Not only here in austin but around the state of texas. and not one of them has told me they believe that the communities will be safer if anti-sanctuary city laws are passed or anything else. >> bill: but you will see that there are laws on the books, right?pa federal immigration laws? there are laws on the books? >> you will see that, correct. >> bill: so does the sheriff of the county, sally hernandez, have the right to make up her own law, to disregard federal law?ht "i don't like it so i'm going to impose my own law." does she have that power? >> i do not believe she is violating federal l...

Policy. i've had the opportunity to talk to local law enforcement not only here in austin but around the state of texas. not one of them has told me that the communities will be safer if anti-sanctuary city laws are passed or anything else. >> bill: you will see that there are laws on the books, right? >> you will see that, correct. >> bill: so does the sheriff of the county, sally hernandez, have the right to make up her own law and disregard federal law? i don't like it so i'm going to impose my own law. does she have that power? >> i do not believe she is violating any federal law at all. >...

Just watch us. martha. >> martha: thank you, trace. joining us now with mark, sean duffy, he is supported defunding sanctuary cities. and richard fowler. welcome to both of you. good to see both of you. it is interesting, trace touched on this being financial, when he goes back to the cities and towns, they are saying, it is not that we don't necessarily want to uphold the law, it is that we don't want to get involved in the business of immigration, we don't want to incarcerate people, process them. it is a "not my job" argument. what do you think about that? >> don't take federal money if you...

Just watch us. martha. >> martha: thank you, trace. joining us now with mark, sean duffy, he is supported defunding sanctuary cities. and richard fowler. welcome to both of you. good to see both of you. it is interesting, trace touched on this being financial, when he goes back to the cities and towns, they are saying, it is not that we don't necessarily want to uphold the law, it is that we don't want to get involved in the business of immigration, we don't want to incarcerate people, process them. it is a "not my job" argument. what do you think about that? >> don't take federal money if you...

Officials wanted sanchez back in their custody they should have known that in san francisco under the sanctuaryñi rules they needed an arrest warrant or court order 0 detainer request was not enough. he blasted immigration and customs enforcement for ignoring a well-known policy and went on. >> one step even better, i would actually go down to their office only samson street and state do your job. we have been telling them that for 18 months, leading up to this very event do your job. >> reporter: we're now awaiting a response from the feds not only to the sheriff's claim that they failed to ...