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Their plan, to charm him into talking, catch him in a crucial lie, get it on tape. >> instead of fear, i would just say that what i was feeling was excitement, and i was a little on edge. but you have to kind of keep all that down so that it doesn't show through the facade you're putting on. >> the surveillance van was nearby for backup, the tiny tape machine rolled. >> i'm detective comstock, this is detective harris from the sheriff's department. >> how you doing? >> nice to meet you. >> and you like art or arturo? >> it doesn't matter. >> he seemed like a really nice guy. if you were to jus...

Interviews before filing away the old case for good. their plan, to charm him into talking, catch him in a crucial lie, get it on tape. >> instead of fear, i would just say that what i was feeling was excitement, and i was a little on edge. but you have to kind of keep all that down so that it doesn't show through the facade you're putting on. >> the surveillance van was nearby for backup, the tiny tape machine rolled. >> i'm detective comstock, this is detective harris from the sheriff's department. >> how you doing? >> nice to meet you. >> and you like art or arturo? >> it doesn't matter. >>...

Nearby for backup, the tiny tape machine rolled. >> i'm detective comstock, this is detective harris from the sheriff's department. >> how you doing? >> nice to meet you. >> and you like art or arturo? >> it doesn't matter. >> he seemed like a really nice guy. if you were to just meet him on the street, you wouldn't think, my, god, this guy's a murderer. >> it started with an idle and innocuous conversation, friendly to put gutierrez at his ease. >> do you -- are you a smoker? >> yes. no, not anymore. cigarettes, no. >> you used to be? >> yeah. >> you wised up? >> oh, yeah. a long time ago. >>...