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Challenge that we face here, the articleny field manual is established basis to use for interrogations. we, cia, are not in the detention program. we are not con testimony plating at all getting back into the tension program using any of those eits. so i defer to the policymakers in future times when there is going to be the need to be able to ensure that this country stays safe if we face some other type of cry sisz. >> i defer to the policymakers, means if they want to do this again, they know our number. we know how to do this stuff. joining us now is ali sufan, a former f.b.i. special agen...

Rulings or advice from the attorney general that would lead you and your successors to say, we should do this because there could be some value to prevent an attack on america? >> as far as what happens in the future, there is some type of challenge that we face here, the army field manual is the established basis to use for interrogations, and we, cia, we are not in the detention program. we are not contemplating at all getting back into the detention program and using any of the policies, but i do not contemplate a time in the future to ensure that this country stays safe, or if we face a si...

Probably is having trouble condemning the previous administration. >> he also has officials there who supported the practices. mr. brennan. he came in a difficult position. he trusted those two individuals to keep our nation safe when they gave amens to these practices. if you look at these context, and the head of the department of justice post-9/11 paints a picture of what it was like and the pressure we were under to keep our nation safe and how effective it has been. take a listen. >> we were just a few months after attacks, 3,000 people had been killed many we knew very little about al qa...

Things i read while he was doing other things, he had a much broader portfolio than i did and i spent a lot of my time just on national security. but i think he knew everything he needed to know and wanted to know about the program. >> did he know the details? >> i think he knew certainly the techniques that we did discuss the techniques. there's no effort on our part to keep him from that. he was just as with the terrorist surveillance program, he had to personally sign off on that every 30 to 45 days, so the negotiation that the committee's trying to pedal it, somehow it will agency was ...

Muslim who was a former detainee at the guantanamo prison, and he says what is necessary now is very much to track down those people responsible for torture and punish them. and also what he was saying was if that the united states decides it's not going to obey the rules of law and war and on the conventions on torture, then why should any of the united states' enemies, christine. >> karl penhaul live with that. thanks. another reveal from the report, how much money the cia spent to do all of this. well over $3 million on detention program. that money was used for detention as well as show ...