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Unconstitutional and questionable, but there is a distinction in the sort of the international human rights law insofar as killing in war is somehow permissible where as torture never is. and the prohibition of torture is always, and killing combatants is subject to debate. >> and the subject of drones is what happens if it is not a war, and if it is used in pakistan and afghanistan, or in syria, is it okay, and then in the u.s., and other areas, then it is the rules governing the laws of the u.s. >> and it is not viewed zero sum, because there is a drone program and you are opposed to targete...

And tdrone, and which is morall unconstitutional and questionable, but there is a distinction in the sort of the international human rights law insofar as killing in war is somehow permissible where as torture never is. and the prohibition of torture is always, and killing combatants is subject to debate. >> and the subject of drones is what happens if it is not a war, and if it is used in pakistan and afghanistan, or in syria, is it okay, and then in the u.s., and other areas, then it is the rules governing the laws of the u.s. >> and it is not viewed zero sum, because there is a drone progra...

The fact is that the routinely issues memorandas on the legality of the l.o.c. publishing the memorandas that you can do this or that, and we have the documents, and we are not the lawyers. >> and this is interesting, because if you look at the senate intelligence committee report, it will show that early on, the cia lawyers knew that they were committing torture and it is illegal and they had a problem. first, they went to the justice department's criminal division and said would you promise not to prosecute us, and they said no. then they went to the political groups, and worked with david e...

On what can be contributed to the political process. i think the core of democrats will maintain that message going forward. we need to do that to convince people that we understand how they feel and that we are on their side. >> thank you so much. >> thank you, chris. >> they always say to never bet against torture. other big story in the news today, the response to the torture report from the cia ahead. many people clean their dentures with toothpaste or plain water. and even though their dentures look clean, in reality they're not. if a denture were to be put

Line staff should be given the benefit of the doubt, and the real issue is that this was a systemic campaign coming from the highest levels of government. >> that is right. that is right. >> and the political operatives within the department of justice basically signed the permission slip for, for torture to take place. >> and you work for amnesty international, and torture happens around the world, right? >> well, you see, this is it. this makes ken's job and my job that much harder, chris, because how are we going to be holding accountable for example the government of mexico or any other go...