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So i think the democrats really need to think about how to address this crisis at the border and it is a crisis. it's a crisis created by the trump administration. but what is -- what is actually the democratic line on this? what is the alternative vision? and we want it to be one that's, of course, more inclusive. a lot of us. but what is that? i mean, i think you have to have some answer. >> uh-huh. >> otherwise it's, you know, trump controls the narrative. if that's what it's really about, it's not about facts. it's about the narrative. >> you know the answer to that, just to pick up my poi...

Children. keeping children with their parents for a year or 18 months, that's the families kept together in family detention. there are still, jacob, lots of children who are alone by themselves. hundreds who have been, who were separated from their families under the now abandoned family separation policy who a judge said you have to put them back together again and where are we on that tonight. i want to say, 460 children. all summer, those children have been separated from their parents while we've been off doing our summer. the american people, president trump has been going golfing, et ce...

Together again and where are we on that tonight. i want to say, 460 children. all summer, those children have been separated from their parents while we've been off doing our summer. the american people, president trump has been going golfing, et cetera. the whole treenl trump administration put in this policy was to terrorize these folks. it was the stated deterrence policy to get congress to act, to basically get rid of the flores policy so they could detain all the children. that didn't work out because president trump signed the executive order which an administration official said they re...

Parents, to do this as a deterrence policy that nobody else would come into this country illegally. a strategy we know doesn't make sense. and then when the thing doesn't work out, just lake there was no plan in the beginning to put it into place and that's why it was such a disaster, they just decided, you know what, we're not really going to come up with a plan anyways to undo this and we'll ask somebody else to do it. >> right. so there's a lot of mess there. i do want to hit one positive part that i'm curious about your view, because you've been covering this so closely. you mentioned the ...

Establish a zero tolerance deterrence policy now only to find that it wasn't zero tolerance, that it was only aimed at the most vulnerable, at parents and children, should be a reminder to the american people of the cruelty of this administration. when ivanka trump looks at the american people and says this is something that he is painfully aware and believes that we should not be doing family separation, i agree 100% with her. she should be looking into the president's sites and see if they are going to do something. >> hold on, though. >> and this nonses that they're telling you, shame on th...