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Parents, to do this as a deterrence policy that nobody else would come into this country illegally. a strategy we know doesn't make sense. and then when the thing doesn't work out, just lake there was no plan in the beginning to put it into place and that's why it was such a disaster, they just decided, you know what, we're not really going to come up with a plan anyways to undo this and we'll ask somebody else to do it. >> right. so there's a lot of mess there. i do want to hit one positive part that i'm curious about your view, because you've been covering this so closely. you mentioned the ...

Had never been done before, to take them away from their parents, to do this as a deterrence policy that nobody else would come into this country illegally. a strategy we know doesn't make sense. and then when the thing doesn't work out, just lake there was no plan in the beginning to put it into place and that's why it was such a disaster, they just decided, you know what, we're not really going to come up with a plan anyways to undo this and we'll ask somebody else to do it. >> right. so there's a lot of mess there. i do want to hit one positive part that i'm curious about your view, because...

People and said he was going to establish a zero tolerance deterrence policy now only to find that it wasn't zero tolerance, that it was only aimed at the most vulnerable, at parents and children, should be a reminder to the american people of the cruelty of this administration. when ivanka trump looks at the american people and says this is something that he is painfully aware and believes that we should not be doing family separation, i agree 100% with her. she should be looking into the president's sites and see if they are going to do something. >> hold on, though. >> and this nonses that ...

Outraged with how we got here, too. american immigration policy has been a big old fail for 25 years, since the clinton administration started this deterrence policy called detention through deterrence that led to people crossing in the mountains and deserts and increasing people dying. i just hope -- i hope we've been shocked. trump has brought us there in probably the worst way possible. i hope there's a way forward for all of us to figure this out. >> there's the old saying all politics is local. back here in new york now, but i wonder as you look at the confusion and chaos vouning the lega...

Deterrence policy but didn't appreciate the human cost that would come with it. everybody was fine with this until the news stories started coming out with the pictures and the audio. and people learned there was a difference. listen, i worked for ted cruz, i know all about the unaccompanied minors that come alone and get housed in facilities in texas. this has been going on for a long time. it's tragic. we need to look at where those children have gone. there's a lot more children who have come to america without their parents who are lost in the system, that we need to find and figure out wh...