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A new republican president who is saying, i see the problems that we have, but i'm still going to put more kids in that program and i'm going separate them from their parents because their parents broke the law. now, there are people of course that support that because they say well if these parents were committing murder or shoplifting and had to go to jail, they wouldn't be able to be with their kids. that's the trump administration's argument for why they should be separated from their parents and there are people who believe that. >> there's the deterrent factor too. when we talk about imm...

As opposed to needing ten times more. even more than when he >> that doesn't mean increase in numbers. i hear him say more, talk more about, we're going to be great. how could we get rid of nuclear weapons? not a lot keeps me up at night. we have a great state department. doing the diplomacy thing night and day, as jim mattis and i have said in, many times. if we don't fund the state department properly, buy us more bullets. so o iut thethe world,ou have the state department, doing what it doesveay and the rest of the great americans working those issues. you got the u.s. military, the greates...

Immigration policies to realize that a big beautiful wall may not be the answer. or do we need a wall plus the things that senator mccain offered. it is not the end all be all. it is important and it is a deterrent factor. you do also need to have biometric entry exit points. but the rhetoric of this administration has the flow but the second he is not office it is can open up again. your group and others of like minds have managed to turn this into a debate what was a key component of the president's victory. how do you continue that. or is it something you're willing to compromise on. the re...

Certainly impose punishment, look at the deterrent factor and she can be rehabilitated but, judge, the extent she cooperated, send the message that it's of some value and cooperation, not only to her but to anyone else who commits an offense that they would cooperate as well and that has to be looked at by the judge. >> those communities who were at risk will be watching where this judge takes this for sure. >> and millions of dollars searching for them. it could have ended up so much worse for other people. >> joey jackson, nice to see you. >> and you, randi. >> be sure to tune in tonight for...

She's facing up to three years? >> it's a misdemeanor. it's punishable by up to three years. there's fines associated with it of up to $5,000. but i think the prosecutor will look at the end game. she there look at the intentions. certainly we have a society and a government of laws. you want to defer people from committing any acts. but attend of t the end of the have to look at a deterrent factor, but at the same time civil disobedience has a long history in this country and has a long history of changing for the better. do i see a prosecution? potentially. certainly she can get away with po...