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Developed doers, the way the contractors work. everyone takes it seriously. they take the public trust seriously. they take it seriously you don't call up the ceo of chick-fil-a to say can my wife have a franchise. tell me i'm not crazy here that this is aberrant behavior. >> you're not crazy. this is aberrant behavior. especially the new political cadre comes into town and they are extraordinarily so lis to us of what the career folks will say about these things every little issue will be run by them. whereas clearly pruitt and his crowd came, got to the epa and it was like, what can we get h...

Them. what pruitt says is that he knew they were get accounting raises but he didn't know they were circumventing the regulations. he told that to congress. if that's a lie, then that's a federal crime. >> it did happen with grant as you say. that might be the only time fur a treasury secretary. i can't see there being the stomach for going forward with actual impeachment. at most there would be extraordinary pressure on trump to let him go if he continues at this kind of comic pace. >> 1500 federal employees a year get suspended for conduct that's way less an green jus. >> is that true? >> ye...