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Other friends who, like, who love cooking as well. >> anthony: legally, there might be something wrong with it. but morally, do you think there's anything wrong with, like, you're essentially breaking in to a -- an information base. >> thomas: yes. >> anthony: i'm not doing any damage. i'm gonna go in, i'm gonna look around, i'm gonna see how things work. and i'll leave without disturbing anything. would most hackers say that that's okay? >> thomas: yes. yes. >> anthony: it's in the service of knowledge, that's -- >> thomas: that's okay for most the hackers in our communities. i was lucky, i g...

Other friends who, like, who love cooking as well. >> anthony: legally, there might be something wrong with it. but morally, do you think there's anything wrong with, like, you're essentially breaking in to a -- an information base. >> thomas: yes. >> anthony: i'm not doing any damage. i'm gonna go in, i'm gonna look around, i'm gonna see how things work. and i'll leave without disturbing anything. would most hackers say that that's okay? >> thomas: yes. yes. >> anthony: it's in the service of knowledge, that's -- >> thomas: that's okay for most the hackers in our communities. i was lucky, i g...

People who are like programming and sharing information. just like you love sharing recipes to other friends for the love of cooking and etc. >> anthony: morally, is there anything wrong -- you are breaking into information base. i am not going to do anything, i am going to go and look around and leave without disturbing anything. >> would most hackers say that's okay? >> yes. >> it is okay for our communities. i got lucky, i got into a big hacker community here and met a lot of great mentors. >> anthony: started in this business at 21. >> exactly. >> i didn't go to college. >> anthony: why no...