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That the chief of staff is managing the president, and to some extent it is part of the role, but it is managing the staff, and the white house has a big staff and so it is dealing with the personnel issues and personalities and being able to stand up to someone who is trying to do the end run around on a policy issue, and so it is a tough job. they have kind of settled into these a little bit or more comfortable roles lately, and ivanka doing a ton of work for the development stuff, and kushner with the criminal justice reform, and they found issues that they have sort of been out of the medi...

Humanitarian part and the people in the refugee camps and the development stuff, i guess i didn't realize the distinction until you mentioned it. >> i think this is something that as we look alt what we'll do and the debt ceiling and president obama says funding this development program is the same importance to our national government. as paying the interest on our national debt. and, look, the contribution is a couple hundred million dollars a year and the system is 8 billion dollars a year, but one can ask, what do you want to spend our money on. do we want to bring the debt down or continu...

Humanitarian part and the people in the refugee camps and the development stuff, i guess i didn't realize the distinction until you mentioned it. >> i think this is something that as we look alt what we'll do and the debt ceiling and president obama says funding this development program is the same importance to our national government. as paying the interest on our national debt. and, look, the contribution is a couple hundred million dollars a year and the system is 8 billion dollars a year, but one can ask, what do you want to spend our money on. do we want to bring the debt down or continu...