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By claudio guarnieri, one of the world experts on cyber security. you do make an important point, andrea, that we were reliant on the work they were doing and that is why we got both their methodology and the sample of their forensics on devices peer reviewed by citizen lab, which is a research group very well respected at the university of toronto and they concluded that their methods were sound. i mean, were you concerned yourselves, paul, as you were dealing with this, that your own phones were being hacked ? how do you even go about talking to people if you feel that their phones have been...

I think the unusual thing would be if a journalist tried to do that kind of advanced forensic work on a mobile phone themselves. amnesty international security lab is run by claudio guarnieri, one of the world experts on cyber security. you do make an important point, andrea, that we were reliant on the work they were doing and that is why we got both their methodology and the sample of their forensics on devices peer reviewed by citizen lab, which is a research group very well respected at the university of toronto and they concluded that their methods were sound. i mean, were you concerned y...

Paul, amnesty international did play this crucial role in analysing some of the actual phones that you obtained from people on the list. as i understand it, they were able to detect traces of the pegasus software on 37 phones and you got hold of 67 to test, which is quite a high hit rate. i wonder paul, though, amnesty is a campaigning charity. it is rather unusual, isn't it, for a journalist to be outsourcing this forensic work to a third party? did you feel they were impartial enough to partner with you? i think the unusual thing would be if a journalist tried to do that kind of advanced for...

Software on 37 phones and you got hold of 67 to test, which is quite a high hit rate. i wonder paul, though, amnesty is a campaigning charity. it is rather unusual, isn't it, for a journalist to be outsourcing this forensic work to a third party? did you feel they were impartial enough to partner with you? i think the unusual thing would be if a journalist tried to do that kind of advanced forensic work on a mobile phone themselves. amnesty international security lab is run by claudio guarnieri, one of the world experts on cyber security. you do make an important point, andrea, that we were re...

As i understand it, they were able to detect traces of the pegasus software on 37 phones and you got hold of 67 to test, which is quite a high hit rate. i wonder paul, though, amnesty is a campaigning charity. it is rather unusual, isn't it, for a journalist to be outsourcing this forensic work to a third party? did you feel they were impartial enough to partner with you? i think the unusual thing would be if a journalist tried to do that kind of advanced forensic work on a mobile phone themselves. amnesty international security lab is run by one of the world experts in cyber security. you do ...