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And i would like to be a little bit more reflective on the -- and go in with the intention of -- a defeat to russia. >> all right, colonel get ready, because you and i are gonna face a lot of tweaks later this afternoon from people who say, vindman and velshi calling for provocation of nuclear war by russia. because that is, that is how this all plays out sometimes. but we appreciate that you have been committed to this particular, view of what will we should be taking. lieutenant, alexandra vindman is a former director of european affairs for the national security council. i assure you neithe...

Hollywood and creating. i think it has been amazing what you have done. i'm such a fan. and wendell pierce, i'm your number one fan. so thank you both for being here. thank you. coming, up -- we're gonna dig into the exploitation of farmworkers next. and nbc will play devils advocate, a three part sky original series following a disgraced con who represented everybody firms -- to trot saddam hussein. >> money didn't seem to be a factor for geovanis. i suspect it amount would ever be enough. but it wasn't the soul driving factor. >> it looks very interesting. watch episodes one and two of the d...

Latest msnbc documentary, devils advocate. the mostly true story of gia vanity stefano. it is a three part sky original series of how g stefano represented it notorious criminals like charles manson or saddam hussein. he went from famed attorney to disgraced con man. >> saddam hussein has been captured in his northern iraqi hometown of -- >> he ruled for decades would torture, if you are a lawyer, how do you defend saddam hussein? particularly, if you cannot meet with him. giovanni destefano joins us now. thank you for being on the program. >> thank you. >> i actually did not think it was true...

Will be served and that that is the forest for the trees over the nuts and bolts. >> a couple of things, and i will be the devil's advocate here, you had 100 witnesses, and you are you losing four? i think that kind of plays into the hand of the defense attorneys because you are still going to make mention of -- out of this 100, we only of this. also, i don't think it hurts that she is a woman in the situation because i think if this was epstein, it would be a very different way of looking at this, it would be more outrage, more screaming and yelling about his actions. in those actions were de...

Fight for it. >> laura: i applaud your efforts. to play devil's advocate here, what do you say to people who say, this is the role of the government, the federal government should have the same restrictions on business and china as they had in business in the soviet union. so business is there to make money, so you can blame them, they are there to make money, big deal. what is your answer to that? >> my answer to that is laura, i am a market participant. i'm a market participant in this and what i am doing is stating my preferences here in the state and who we want to do business with. if the...