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Gets information from his real lawyers, freaks them out -- >> you think he's hearing he's in trouble? >> oh, yeah. yeah. this amplifies what matthew miller tweeted out. he must know that dorn jr. is i trouble. >> right. >> he lashes out. he says, i didn't know. which to your point, of course he knew. to elie's point earlier which i want to amplify. in josh greene's book, "devil's bargain" early in the book he makes the point that donald trump learned early on that he could say and do the most outrageous things and no one in the republican party would hold him accountable. >> right. >> that's w...

So even rudy knew at the time there was going to be this issue of recusal. i think the president was wrong. i think if you look at what jeff sessions has done on immigration, on migration and all the key issues of the justice department, i think sessions has personally done an excellent job. >> joining me now cnn political analyst joshua green. why is we here? because we like him but also because he wrote this book, "devil's bargain." it's not the first time, especially after michael wolf's book, that we've heard steve bannon criticize the president but what did you make about this on sessions...

Need to listen to him and put this sort of a plan in effect. the political stake of doing so are very high. >> karoun demirjian, thank you very much. joining us is josh green who wrote the book on steve bannon called "devil's bargain" and just got off the phone with bannon about this plan. josh, what did you learn? >> reporter: basically, i asked him, what made you change your mine? bannon has been in the camp up until now, don't fire people, you can't get rid of this investigation, he was against firing james comey. now he's flipped. he said what changed his mind is that mueller and his team ...

He used to when it came to being the person that was in the president's ear about everything. and that, of course, you know, goes back to last summer, the "fire and fury" book, bannon leaving the white house and all of the bad blood that still exists there, which potentially mitigates how much influence bannon can have over the president and his allies, who need to listen to him and put this sort of a plan in effect. the political stake of doing so are very high. >> karoun demirjian, thank you very much. joining us is josh green who wrote the book on steve bannon called "devil's bargain" and j...

Different way. we're hoping they're looking at the world in a different way. i will say this, it's an important time in technology where this pivotal moment where technology is neutral. it can do good and it can do bad and we need our leaders to step up and understand the impact of the algorithms for their kids as you see mark talk about. >> also the call for tech companies to step up and take more responsibility for the technology they're throwing out there and to better understand the impact. >> the internet has been given a pass in a lot of different ways. we'll see if that's going to chang...