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In which you might hear those words, the way that he described the way they are defined, and the way that they are defined, they're not interchangeable. so i heard them talking about it regularly. i think that contributed to some of my feelings about the fact these guys treated women in a way i didn't like. but i'm not a specialist in language. i wasn't the only person who heard it. i was surprised when i heard him say he meant those things. that's not what they meant. >> some people hearing this might be surprised that 30-some years later you remember particular phrases he used, devil's trian...

Define the phrase devil's triangle had no hidden meaning. to quote the end of their letter, it had any sexual meaning if it did in the 80s, we didn't know it. that's what this became. more after this. maine, a town where almost half the population is self-employed. lobster fisherman is the lifeblood of this town. by 2030, half of america may take after stonington, self-employed and without employer benefits. we haven't had any sort of benefit plans and we're trying to figure that out now. if i had had a little advice back then, i'd be in a different boat today, for sure. plan your financial li...

Whether kavanaugh was accurate about the phrases in the yearbook. >> devils triangle. >> drinking game. that refers to gas. we were 16. >> in isolation, who cares, but that is a pattern of lying under oath while being a sitting federal judge, that's a problem. goes again to what the fbi was able to look at. freshman year roommate saying this. >> i was shocked when i heard that because those words were commonly used and they were references to sexual activities. >> then there was this man who shared a room with kavanaugh. was he questioned by the fbi. >> i was his freshman year roommate. if you...

Special inside knowledge here, but i was shocked when i heard that because those words were commonly used and they were references to sexual activities. if you think about the context in which you might hear those words, the way that he described the way they are defined, they're not interchangeable. so i heard them talking about it regularly. i think that contributed to some of my feelings about the fact these guys treated women the way i didn't like. but i'm not a specialist in language. i wasn't the only person who heard it. i was surprised when i heard him say he meant those things. that's...

It is unbelievable. if you were in college at that time, those words were not uncommon. you know, they're impolite and rude, but they were used and they were used in a context that was not consistent with what brett said under oath and a lot of us knew it. >> you have specific memories of brett kavanaugh using the word either boof or the phrase devil's triangle and haven't it not relate to a drinking game, for instance? >> yes, i do. >> so he says that is the case. he says it is a drinking game. that is what he testified to under oath to the u.s. senate. you are saying he was lying? >> yeah. i...