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There's no problem being a successful man and women just have to bite the bullet on that cultural reality. >> but does that mean -- that's what the article points out, she's saying that women should act more like a man in the workplace? >> well, no. i don't think that's what she says. i think what she's saying is you need to be aware of that negative correlation between success and likability and figure out your own way to navigate it. you're interrupting me and that is very unattractive in a woman. >> lean in. so once you point out that fact, that people correlate likability and success and s...

>> but does that mean -- that's what the article points out, she's saying that women should act more like a man in the workplace? >> well, no. i don't think that's what she says. i think what she's saying is you need to be aware of that negative correlation between success and likability and figure out your own way to navigate it. you're interrupting me and that is very unattractive in a woman. >> lean in. so once you point out that fact, that people correlate likability and success and say, hey, you're penalizing this successful person because she's a woman, it dhangz dynamic. so by talking a...