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So therefore, you may not see it as much. alice, do you want to respond to that? >> i think with all due respect, i take issue with the white privilege argument. i come from a broken home with abuse and alcoholism and been on my own since i was 18, paid my own way through school. i'm hardly the poster child of white privilege. i think a lot of times what we do is look at things through the racial or gender lens when in all actuality, we also need to look at it through the socioeconomic lens and the class lens and the financial status of people. i think that is a lot more determine diagnose fac...

Atmosphere, you can certainly be oppressed but also be powerful at the same time. so i think those things can go hand in hand. they're not mutual little exclusive. i think she can be right but also there are other women who would disagree. >> you're saying there are different levels you can -- there's a glass ceiling or you can be part of the #metoo movement at work but you're still more powerful than the women of color in in the society so therefore, you may not see it as much. alice, do you want to respond to that? >> i think with all due respect, i take issue with the white privilege argume...