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And if it is, that's very good corroborating evidence. >> well, i'm going back to the points of issue here. again, you're the lawyer. if you can say that federal funding was denied somebody which was appropriately due them, and you can produce corroborating evidence, contemporary testimony in the form of a diary entry, don't you have a pretty good case to take to a grand jury in that instance? >> if you have those things, yes. >> well, you got 'em! >> no. what is missing here, chris, is that the christie administration did deny funds to hoboken as a result of her refusal to approve that projec...

Rockefeller group. and we don't know if they exist at this point. >> and the u.s. attorney, a democratic appointee is not going to bring a rico case based on a swearing contest between the lieutenant governor and the mayor of hoboken. he is going to want what we lawyers call corroboration. is the contemporaneous evidence that substantiates and will allow them to prove in front of a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that these things actually occurred. >> let's go to that point, stan. if you have a diary entry which is scribbled in a diary and can be ascertained to be authentic by experts in real-...

Shared with us. and here is how she describes the threat guadagno made in an entry in that diary, dated may 17th. quoting from it, at the end of a big tour of shoprite, she pulls me aside with no one else around and tells me i need to move forward with the rockefeller project. it is very important to the governor. the word is you are against it and you need to move it forward or we are not going to be able to help you. i know it's not right, these things should not be connected, but they are, she says. if you tell anyone i said that, i will deny it. this is what the mayor of hoboken says chris...

The threat guadagno made in an entry in that diary, dated may 17th. quoting from it, at the end of a big tour of shoprite, she pulls me aside with no one else around and tells me i need to move forward with the rockefeller project. it is very important to the governor. the word is you are against it and you need to move it forward or we are not going to be able to help you. i know it's not right, these things should not be connected, but they are, she says. if you tell anyone i said that, i will deny it. this is what the mayor of hoboken says chris christie's lieutenant governor told her that ...

Commissioner constable. i stand by my word, remain willing to testify under oath and i will continue to answer any questions asked of me by the u.s. attorney's office. this story, it's not so much she came down to he said, she said a one person kept a diary entry. you have to wonder about the motives for coming out with it. but it's obvious the motives of the lieutenant governor, she is going to deny it. because if she ever admitted such a conversation, she would look terrible. >> that's right. she didn't deny there was any conversations. she said that the mayor misinterpreted perhaps what was...